Conversation with Mark McGwire

                  After breaking Roger Maris' home run record, Mark
                  McGwire told ESPN's Dan Patrick that his son, Matthew,
                  gave him a home run total to shoot for. McGwire didn't tell
                  Patrick what that total was (65), but he did say he hadn't
                  reached it yet.

                  Well, judging by Sammy Sosa's four-homer
                  explosion over the weekend, McGwire needs
                  to meet his son's heightened expectations if his
                  reign as the single-season record holder is
                  even going to begin.

                  He took a break from making history to sit
                  down with Patrick for the Sunday
                  Conversation:

                  Patrick: Is there a pitcher you hit a home run against
                  this season who you're pretty sure you had no business
                  homering against?

                  McGwire: Oh yeah. Willie Blair. He owns me. It's
                  amazing. For some reason he just gets me out all the time,
                  and it ends up that I hit my 50th home run off him this
                  season.

                  I wrote on a bat when he was still playing with the
                  Diamondbacks before he got traded to the Mets, the last
                  time we faced the Diamondbacks I didn't think I was going
                  to face him again this year. I wrote a bat, saying "Willie,
                  you absolutely own me -- Mark McGwire." And I sent it
                  over to him.

                  Patrick: You have a history of giving. Are people now
                  telling you not to give away your shoes, your gloves and
                  your bat?

                  McGwire: No, I do it all the
                  time. I gave Jim Leyland my
                  batting gloves after my last
                  game down in Florida. I gave
                  Bobby Knight -- who was here
                  a few weeks ago -- my shoes I
                  hit 50 through 55 in. I gave my
                  second father, Jim, my bat that
                  I hit 50 through 55.

                  Those things mean a lot to me,
                  but it means even more that I
                  can give them up.

                  Patrick: I talked to Dan
                  Marino a couple of weeks ago, and he said his son
                  wanted a birthday present: Mark McGwire's bat.

                  McGwire: Yeah, he called me up in the clubhouse in San
                  Francisco. They go, "Hey, Dan Marino's on the phone."
                  Yeah right. I've never really met him, but I get on the phone
                  and you know his voice from the Isotoner glove
                  commercials.

                  I get on the phone, and he says, "Yeah, my son, he wants
                  something from you, and can I do anything for you?" I said,
                  "Sure, how about signing a jersey to my son." I get back
                  with a jersey that said, "To Matthew." It was unbelievable.

                  Patrick: Do you worry that you can't be the public
                  Mark McGwire anymore? You can't walk on a golf
                  course and just play. You can't be out in the front yard
                  with your son. Have you sacrificed or lost a little bit of
                  that?

                  McGwire: I'm going to be the same person I'm going to be.
                  People say, here he's thrown into all this success and he's
                  going to change. You know what? No. I'm not going to
                  change. You know what happens? The people around you
                  change because they look at you differently. They think,
                  "Here's this guy, oh my God, who hit 62 home runs. Oh,
                  he's a different person."

                  No, I'm not a different person. I'm the same person, I'm
                  going to be the same Dad, I just hope people are too.


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